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The Murder of Kitty Genovese

The epitome of public apathy...or gross exaggeration by the New York Times ?

 

On March 13th, 1964, one of one of the most infamous crimes in American history occurred in the Kew Gardens neighborhood of Queens, New York. At around 3 AM, 28-year-old Catherine "Kitty" Genovese was attacked, sexually assaulted, and murdered as she walked from her parked car. The assault lasted thirty-five minutes and occurred outside of an apartment building where a reported 38 witnesses either heard or saw the attack and did nothing to stop it. A front-page article in the New York Times sparked an avalanche of press and weeks of national soul searching. The case has lived on in plays, musicals, TV dramas -- it even spawned a whole new branch of psychology.

Joseph De May, a member of the Richmond Hill Historical Society dismantles by dissecting the New York Times article, what is not the epitome of public apathy, rather an example of gross media sensationalism.


What you think you know about the case might not be true.

Joseph De May

 

According to the March 27, 1964 New York Times:

"For more than half an hour thirty-eight respectable, law-abiding citizens in Queens watched a killer stalk and stab a woman in three separate attacks in Kew Gardens.  Twice the sound of their voices and the sudden glow of their bedroom lights interrupted him and frightened him off.  Each time he returned, sought her out and stabbed her again.  Not one person telephoned the police during the assault; one witness called after the woman was dead."

The story became a cultural landmark, making infamous the phrase, "We didn't want to get involved."  However, the undisputed evidence from the killer's trial and other sources shows that the Times account is mostly wrong.

 

 

Kitty Genovese

 

 

Table of Contents

 

This much is certain
There were two attacks not three
The police were called after the first attack
There were not 38 eye witnesses
Only three eye witnesses are known to have seen Kitty attacked
The witnesses saw Kitty leave and not come back
The witnesses did not watch for half an hour  
Excerpts from the trial transcripts of  People V Moseley
Only one witness is known to have heard Kitty say she had been stabbed  
Kitty did not scream for half an hour  
Kitty might not have been saved by a phone call  
The problem was not apathy  
We didn't want to get involved
Doubts  
Confession of Winston Moseley


 

 

 

Photo of crime scene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Much Is Certain

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At 3:20 AM on March 13, 1964, Winston Moseley attacked Catherine (Kitty) Genovese in front of a 2 story Tudor building on Austin Street in Kew Gardens, NY about 50 ft. from a bar known to generate loud, late night rowdiness. He stabbed her twice in the back. Her screams awakened some residents of the Mowbray Apartment House across the street, several of whom went to their windows.

 

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There were 2 attacks not 3

 

           
        

This is the parking lot adjacent to the Kew Gardens Long Island Railroad Station on Austin Street as it appears today. The photographer is standing about where Kitty's attacker, Winston Moseley, was when she first saw him. After parking her car (in the spot between the white and red cars directly ahead), Kitty saw Moseley, became frightened and ran up Austin Street (away from the camera). Mowbray Place and the Mowbray Apartment House are off screen to the left. The railroad station house is mostly offscreen to the right. In the background is a 2 story Tudor Building that figured prominently in the tragedy.

 

 

 

There were 2 attacks not 3

Most people both in and out of the media believe that Kitty was attacked three times.  However, the undisputed evidence presented at the killer's trial by the district attorney shows that there were only two attacks, not three. Subsequent accounts in the media have also verified the number of attacks as two  - the most recent account being the February 8, 2004 New York Times

The first attack occurred on Austin Street in front of a 2 story Tudor building directly across from the Mowbray Apartment House where the overwhelming majority of the 38 witnesses lived. The second took place in a vestibule in the rear of the 2 story Tudor building.

In his famous book on the case, A.M. Rosenthal, the Times' Metropolitan Editor, also describes only those two attacks:

      "Lurking near the parking lot was a man. Miss Genovese saw him in the shadows, turned and walked toward a police box. The man pursued her, stabbed her. She screamed, "Oh my God, he stabbed me!  Please help me!  Please help me!
       Somebody threw open a window. A man called out, 'Let that girl alone!'  Other lights turned on, other windows were raised. The attacker got into a car and drove away. A bus passed.
       The attacker drove back, got out, searched out Miss Genovese in the back of an apartment building where she had crawled for safety, stabbed her again, drove away again."

In its June 10, 1964 edition, The New York Times explained the confusion surrounding the number of attacks. It said that initial police reports of 3 attacks were based on the investigators' misinterpretation of a statement given by a witness named Andree Picq.

 

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The police were called after the first attack

 

The police were called after the first attack

One of the witnesses to the first attack on Kitty was a 15 year old boy named Michael Hoffman. Today in his mid-fifties, Hoffman has signed an affidavit sworn to under penalties of perjury in which he says that he awoke to see Moseley run away, and Kitty get up and stagger off. Since he did not see the stabbings, he thought Kitty was drunk or had been beaten. He told this to his father who immediately called the police.  

"Eventually, dad got through to the police. He told the dispatcher what we had seen and heard - that a lady was "beat up, but got up and was staggering around". He told the dispatcher her location was "by the drugstore at the LIRR station", and that the lady walked away but appeared dazed. My father was on the phone at least five full minutes, most of it waiting to be connected to the police dispatcher.

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"I worked as a New York City policeman out of the 112nd Precinct although that was years after Kitty was killed. While stationed at the 112, I met an old timer (it’s been too many years to remember his name) who was almost ready to retire. He told me he was on duty in the 102nd Precinct that night and heard the first call go out as a simple assault. It wasn’t even put out as "in progress". The dispatcher sent out a second call escalating the situation after Kitty was found lying in the hallway."

If Hoffman's father called police, then it means other people may well have called, too. There is evidence to indicate that they did.

 

  
 

 

In its July 23, 1995 edition, a Long Island, NY newspaper called Newsday reported at p. A3 that:

"In reports immediately following the [Kitty Genovese] crime, police admitted receiving several calls, but said the caller hung up before they got any information."

  Presumably the caller or callers gave at least some information about the attack, otherwise, the police would have had no way of knowing that the calls had anything to do with Kitty as the Newsday article suggests they did. Furthermore, the fact that the caller or callers hung up might have reflected more on police procedures than on the callers. Kitty's murder took place 40 years ago when there was no such thing as 911. [See sidebar.]  In his 1964 book on the case entitled, Thirty-eight witnesses, the Times Metropolitan Editor, A.M. Rosenthal wrote:

" ... the three most frequent complaints [against the New York City Police Department in 1964 included]: ... The necessity of having to answer personal questions before action was taken.

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Another delay in New York [in 1964] results from the fact that policemen who handle incoming calls at the Communications Bureau usually ask for identification and other details before passing the information along to a radio room for relay to a radio car in the area.

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  So, reading between the lines, the problem may not have been that no one called to report the first attack. Rather, it may well have been that whoever did call in did not want to identify themselves, and the police were slow to act upon anonymous complaints - especially when the complaints were not of a murder in progress, but of a simple assault in which the attacker had fled and the victim was seen to walk away.

In fairness to the police, the officers who had to field incoming calls had a different perspective. According to former Chief of Detectives, Albert A. Seedman:

"[As desk sergeant], you spent four hours at the switchboard, taking all calls that came in to the Precinct [including wasting] time talking to nuts, drunks, and lonely people who wanted to tell you either how great or how lousy you were doing your job."

 

 

         
      

The photographer is standing at the approximate location of the first attack looking back in the direction from which Kitty ran.  The yellow oval shows the 6th floor apartment windows of trial witness, Samuel Koshkin, and his wife.  The windows faced Austin Street and not the site of the first attack which Koshkin could not see. However, he did see Moseley run back to his car immediately afterward.  The yellow circle shows where Moseley had parked.  The Long Island Railroad Station parking lot is to the left.

 

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There were not 38 eye witnesses

 

There were not 38 eye witnesses

 

    
  

This is the Austin Street side of the 2 story Tudor building.  At the trial of Kitty's killer, the Queens County District Attorney said that the first attack occurred behind the street light in the foreground.  

 

The headline and lead paragraph of the March 27, 1964 New York Times story say that there were 38 eye witnesses to Kitty's murder, and that is the number everyone remembers today. However, that number turns out to have been incorrect. Charles Skoller was one of the Assistant District Attorneys who prosecuted Moseley. He told the February 8, 2004 New York Times:

"I don't think 38 people witnessed it. I don't know where that came from, the 38. I didn't count 38. We only found half a dozen that saw what was going on, that we could use."

 In fact, Times' reports going as far back as 1964 also say that only some of the 38 witnesses saw anything (the precise number was never given or estimated). The rest only heard something. Several months after Kitty's death, A.M. Rosenthal, then Metropolitan Editor of the Times, wrote his famous book about the case in which he, too, said that not all of the 38 were eye witnesses. Rosenthal wrote:

"Of the thirty-eight [witnesses], about eighteen had witnessed or heard each of the attacks; the other twenty had heard or seen one - enough to make them witnesses in court."

Rosenthal gives no breakdown of the number of eye witnesses versus the number of ear witnesses. In fact, the way it is worded, Rosenthal's statement would be true even if there had been only 2 eye witnesses. At a Kitty Genovese Forum held at Fordham University on March 9, 2004, A.M. Rosenthal denied that he or any other reporter at his paper had ever said there were 38 eye witnesses.


 

In a brief submitted to the New York State Court of Appeals, Queens District Attorney Thomas Mackel mentioned only 3 eye witnesses.

Whatever the precise number, merely being "witnesses" does not necessarily mean that the 38 saw, heard or understood what was happening. For example, if a man were only half awakened by Kitty's screams and then immediately drifted back off to sleep not to remember that fact until the next morning, he would still be a "witness" although he heard little and saw or understood nothing.  So the real questions are, what did the 38 witnesses see or hear that night, and what did they think it meant?

 

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Only 3 eye witnesses are known to have seen Kitty attacked

 

 

 

Only 3 eye witnesses are known to have seen Kitty attacked

 

As to what the witnesses saw, only three people have ever been publicly identified as having seen either of the two attacks in progress.

                                         The First Attack

The first attack happened swiftly. Kitty got out of her car, saw Moseley, became frightened and started running along Austin Street. Moseley later said that he ran approximately 20 feet before he caught up with her and stabbed her twice in the back.  

There does not seem to be any dispute that it was Kitty's screams after being stabbed in that initial attack that first awakened some residents of the Mowbray Apartments, bringing several of them to their windows - apparently too late to see the stabbings.  For example:

  • Here's how the Queens District Attorney described the first attack in his brief to the New York Court of Appeals:

"After she parked her car, Katherine Genovese became frightened and ran when she saw Moseley. He ran after her for about twenty feet and stabbed her twice in the back, on the street. Her screams awakened several of her neighbors .."

 Notice that the D.A. clearly says that the witnesses awoke after the first stabbings.

  • In his 1964 book on the case, Times Metropolitan Editor, A.M. Rosenthal, also said that the witnesses to the first attack got to their windows after Kitty had been stabbed:

 

    "Lurking near the parking lot was a man. Miss Genovese saw him in the shadows, turned and walked toward a police box. The man pursued her, stabbed her. She screamed, "Oh my God, he stabbed me! Please help me! Please help me!
      Somebody threw open a window. A man called out, 'Let that girl alone, ' Other lights turned on, other windows were raised. The attacker got into a car and drove away."

 

 
   

The final attack took place in a small hallway behind the door viewable between the sign and the tree in the foreground - well out of the sight and hearing of the witnesses in the 10 story apartment building in the background. The parking lot is off screen to the left.

 

 

  • In his chapter on the case, former New York City Chief of Detectives, Albert A. Seedman, describes Moseley's interrogation by the police. Here, according to Seedman, is how Moseley described his first attack on Kitty:

"I just jumped on her back and stabbed her. She fell down on her knees. She was screaming. I was looking for a place to drag her and shut her up when I noticed lights going on in some of the apartments. Then I heard someone shout down from a window."

Moseley's description of the first attack also indicates that the witnesses awoke and got to their windows after Kitty had been stabbed for the first time.

Actually, there are only two witnesses known to have seen the first attack in progress.

One was Joseph Fink, the assistant superintendent at the Mowbray Apartments across the street. He was on duty as the night elevator operator. In remarks delivered at a March 9, 2004 Forum on the Kitty Genovese case held at Fordham University, former Queens County Assistant District Attorney said that Fink saw the first stabbings and understood exactly what was happening.

The other witness was Andree Picq, and she testified at trial that she saw Kitty "laying down on the pavement . . . and a man was bending over her and beating her." Since there was no evidence that Moseley beat Kitty, what this witness must have seen were the first stabbings. However, whether due to the dim street lighting or disorientation from being suddenly awakened, Picq did not realize what it was she was seeing. That is not an uncommon phenomenon for eye witnesses to crimes, even when they are fully awake at the time.

                                   The Second Attack

There were only 2 attacks, not 3. The second attack took place 12 minutes later in a small hallway in the rear of the 2 story Tudor building where none of the residents of the Mowbray Apartment House could have seen it. Only one man saw part of that second attack. His name was Karl Ross and he lived in an apartment in the Tudor building up one flight of stairs from the hallway.

 

 

   

The back of the 2 story Tudor building. Kitty Genovese was attacked a second time in a small hallway behind this green door [82-62 Austin Street], which was painted brown at the time.

 

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The witnesses saw Kitty leave and not come back

 

 

The witnesses saw Kitty leave and not come back

 

EXCERPTS FROM THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPT OF PEOPLE V. MOSELEY               

 

 

EXCERPTS FROM THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPT OF PEOPLE V. MOSELEY

 

Irene Frost, residing at 82-67 Austin Street, Kew Gardens, having been called as a witness by the People, was duly sworn and testified as follows:

[Ed.'s Note: The witness lived in the Mowbray Apartment House.]

Direct examination by Mr. Cacciatore:
Q. Miss Frost, on the early morning of March 13th of 1964, were you at home?
A. Yes.
Q. And what apartment did you occupy at that time?
A. 204.
Q. 204?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. At that address?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, sometime on the early morning, did you hear something?
A. I heard a shriek. I got out of bed, went to the window and I saw a man and a woman standing across the street. They were standing across the street.
Mr. Cacciatore: Louder so I can hear you.
The Court: You saw a man and a woman standing across the street?
The Witness: By the book store. I looked at them for a minute. Nothing happened, so I got back to bed. I happened to look at the clock at the time. It was 3:20.
Q. 3:20?
A. 3:20.
Q. Can you describe the man that you saw, Miss Frost?
A. At that time, he looked just a bit taller than the girl, but they were standing close together, not fighting or anything. I got back in bed and I heard another scream. I got back and went to the window and as I got there, she was kneeling down on the sidewalk and he was running up the street.
Q. When you say "running up the street", is that towards the bus stop?
A. Towards the bus stop.
Q. Towards the parking lot?
A. The second time she screamed, "Please help me, God. Please help me. I have
been stabbed," and he ran up the street. I was looking out one window. I have two windows in my bedroom and he ran up the street. I went to the other one, so I could look up Austin Street. Then I went back to the other window, the front window, and she was on her knees. She got up. Then it looked like she was reaching for her purse. She bent down again and picked something up. I don't know what it was; walked down to the drug store, walked along into the back of that building.
Q. By the way ---
The Court: That is when you lost sight of her?
The Witness: Yes, when she went to the back of the building.
Q. I show you this photograph [Ed.'s Note: this is my recreation], Miss Frost, and I ask you whether this fairly represents the area as you saw it and as you saw the woman on that early morning - wait a minute. This is not it - of March 13th of 1964?
A. It was in front of this store.
Q. First, let me ask you this question ---
The Court: Is that a correct representation of the physical layout?
The Witness: That's right.
The Court: And the book store, shown in that photograph [Ed.'s Note: this is my recreation - today the book store is the Fairchild Decorating Shop], is that the book store you refer to in front of which you say they were standing?
The Witness: Yes.
The Court: In front of which you say she was kneeling?
The Witness: She was kneeling in this area here, nearer the liquor store, this corner of the ---.
Mr. Cacciatore: May we first show it to counsel? I'd like to offer it in evidence.
Mr. Sparrow: May I show it to co-counsel, too?
The Court: Yes.
  (Mr. Sparrow showed picture to co-counsel.)
The Court: Any objection?
Mr. Sparrow: No objection.
The Court: Mark it, People's 2.
  [Picture was marked People's Exhibit 2 in evidence.]
Q. Miss Frost, I show you this photograph [Ed.'s Note: this is my recreation] and ask you whether this photograph fairly represents the physical layout as of the early morning of March 13th of 1964, showing the card store that you indicated on People's 2 and the corner drug store?
The Court: The card store did you say?.
Mr. Cacciatore: The card store.
A. I thought you were calling it a book store.
Mr. Cacciatore: Well, it's a card store and a bookstore.
A. Yes, sir, this is the corner she went around. I saw her when she disappeared back there.
Mr. Cacciatore: May we mark this as People's 3?
The Court: Show it to counsel.
  (Defense counsel looked at picture.)
Mr. Sparrow: We have no objection to the offer. We would appreciate it, though, if the District Attorney might have it marked as to the direction at which the camera was fixed.
The Court: You will have your chance to ask. Mark it as People's 3 in evidence.
  (Picture was received and marked People's Exhibit 3 in evidence.)
Q. Now Miss Frost, you say that you saw the girl go along the side of the parking lot after turning the corner of the drugstore, is that right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And you saw her walking along there?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is that so? And that's indicated?
A. This way.
Q. On People's 3, right?
A. Yes.
Q. Now I show you this photograph [Ed.'s Note: this is my recreation], Miss Frost, and I ask you, are you familiar with that areas as of the early morning of March the 13th, 1964, which is the far corner shown on People's Exhibit 3?
A. It's the back of the building.
Q. Back of the building?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Right?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Now could you see the girl up to this point before she turned the corner?
A. Yes, sir.
The Court: That would be the corner ---
Q. Where the coffee shop is?
A. That's right. She disappeared around this corner and then I didn't see her anymore.
Q. All right.
The Court: You say she disappeared around this corner. That would be the corner where the Interlude Coffee House awning is shown. [Ed.'s Note: today the Interlude Coffee Shop is the Bliss cafe.] At that point, you couldn't see her anymore, right?
A. No, sir.
Mr. Cacciatore: I offer that as People's 4, if Your Honor pleases.
Mr. Sparrow: No objection.
The Court: Mark it People's 4.
  (The exhibit was marked by the Reporter as People's Exhibit 4 In Evidence.)
The Court: Come on, let's go.

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Q. Miss Frost, I show you this photograph [Ed.'s Note: this is my recreation] and I ask you, does it fairly represent the corner of Austin and Lefferts which shows the side of Austin Street, of the card store immediately in front of your apartment? Does it?
A. Yes, sir.
Mr. Cacciatore: I offer this as People's 5.
Mr. Sparrow: No objection.
The Court: Mark it People's 5.
  (The exhibit was marked by the reporter as People's Exhibit 5 In Evidence.)
Q. Now did you see the man after he ran from the location that you indicated in front of the card store? Did you see him after that?
A. Only going up Austin Street beyond Virginian. On that same street as the Virginian Apartment, which is the railroad side of Austin.
Q. Did you see him walking or riding or what?
A. Running.
Q. Running. And you didn't see him after that?
A. No, sir.
Q. Thank you.
Mr. Cacciatore: You may inquire.
Mr. Sparrow: No questions.
The Court: Step down.



When Moseley drove off after the first attack, Kitty (who had been lying on the ground) got up "slowly". Trial witness, Robert Mozer testified that:

"She got up, stood up, and kind of looked around like that ... ."

Trial witness, Irene Frost testified that:

"Then it looked like she was reaching for her purse. She bent down again and picked something up. I don't know what it was ... ."

At this point, there was nothing in Kitty's body language to tell an unknowing onlooker who had not seen the stabbings that she was gravely wounded. Everyone agrees that Kitty then walked away, but there is disagreement as to the steadiness of her gait. Trial witness, Andree Picq, said that Kitty walked away "slowly". According to former New York City Chief of Detectives, Albert A. Seedman:

"[Kitty] was not staggering. If anything, her step was almost dreamlike."

The History Channel described her walk the same way.  If these accounts are correct, then there was still nothing about her body language that would put unknowing eye witnesses on notice that Kitty had been badly wounded. However, surviving witness, Michael Hoffman, and his father had perhaps the closest view of all. Hoffman describes her walk as more labored.

"The way she walked made us think she was either drunk, or had been beaten up. She walked slowly, holding on to the building wall for support as she did. She staggered."

Ordinarily, that kind of unsteady gait would be a sure sign to an onlooker that something was wrong even if it does not necessarily suggest the possibility of life threatening wounds. However, there was another factor that shaped the perceptions of witnesses who did not have Hoffman's view.

The original March 27, 1964 Times article does not mention it, but the first attack occurred only a few feet from a bar called Old Bailey.  Loud early morning behavior outside of any bar is not unusual, and Old Bailey was no exception - a fact that residents had previously complained about.  Not having seen the first stabbing, many witnesses probably dismissed the commotion as alcohol related. So, the fact that Kitty got up and walked away at all - whether staggering or dreamlike - must have been falsely reassuring to onlookers who would have thought that everything was really all right, her initial screams notwithstanding.  

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Recreation of Trial Exhibit People's 2

Kitty was attached for the first time here in front a bookstore that was situated just to the left of the Fairchild Decorating Shop. The street light in the foreground is brighter than the old one that was there that night. This 2003 photograph was taken in the morning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Recreation of Trial Exhibit People's 3

This is the 2 story Tudor Building in which Kitty lived. The entrance to her apartment was in the rear. After leaving the parking lot (on the right), Kitty headed up Austin Street (to the left).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Recreation of Trial Exhibit People's 4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Recreation of Trial Exhibit People's 5.

 

 

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The witnesses did not watch for half an hour

 

 

 

 

 

The witnesses did not watch for half an hour

 

The original New York Times article reported in its opening sentence that witnesses watched Kitty being stalked and stabbed for more than half an hour. The Times version of the killing (which is the one everybody remembers) gave the impression that the stalking and stabbing lasted continuously for half an hour and that Kitty and her attacker were visible to the witnesses throughout that 30 minute period. That was not so.

                                          The Stabbings

As already explained, it appears (with one exception) that the first stabbings on Austin Street occurred before the witnesses awoke and got to their windows. After that first attack, the killer, Winston Moseley, ran to his car and drove away. Kitty then got up and slowly made her way around to the back of the 2 story Tudor building where none of the witnesses from the Mowbray Apartment House could have seen her. So most of the Mowbray witnesses could have watched Kitty for only the time it took her to get up and slowly walk the 40 feet or so from the front of the 2 story building on Austin Street to the corner drugstore store.

Once Kitty turned that near corner, they could no longer see her.  Anyone who lived in one of the 9 apartments at the southwest corner of the Mowbray Apartments could have continued to watch Kitty only until she turned the far corner at the back of the 2 story building some 60 feet further.  So none of the Mowbray witnesses could have seen Kitty for more than a few minutes - far less than the 30 minutes she is thought to have been visible to them. They certainly did not see the second (and last) attack in the hallway in the rear of the 2 story Tudor building.

 

 

                                         The Stalking

Moseley's "stalking" of Kitty lasted about 2 minutes - not 30 minutes, and Kitty was not visible to any of the witnesses while it was happening. It occurred about 10 minutes after Kitty had disappeared from the Mowbray witnesses line of sight and had entered a doorway in the rear of the 2 story Tudor building. Moseley, who had parked his car about 2 blocks away, came back to look for her. We know of 5 witnesses who saw him return. Former New York City Chief of Detectives Albert A. Seedman describes what happened:

"Ten minutes later the neighbors saw [Moseley] return. [Mrs. Robert Mozer] noticed that he was walking normally, as if he didn't have a care in the world. ... Three floors below, [Andree Picq] was surprised to see that, while before he had had on a stocking cap, now he was wearing a Tyrolean hat with a feather in the band. Walking slowly, looking from side to side, he peeked into the doorway of the [bookstore]. Nothing. He walked past the liquor store and the dry cleaner, and turned the corner. [Irene Frost] ran from one to another of her three windows facing Austin Street to keep him in view. He crossed the parking lot without even looking into [Kitty's] locked Fiat. He gave a push at the door of the waiting room of the Kew Gardens railroad station and found it open. He spent only a minute inside. [Samuel Koshkin] picked up the phone to call the police, but his wife ... said, 'Don't. Thirty people must have called by now.' [Koshkin] saw the man wearing the Tyrolean hat come out of the side door of the Long Island railroad waiting room and head for the rear walkway. He tried the first doorway, 82-60. Nothing. He went to the second, 82-62. [Koshkin] held his breath. It had been twelve minutes since the last scream. As the man pushed the door open, only a few neighbors could hear a low cry, too weak for a scream, as the door closed behind him."

Seedman does not say what Koshkin did after that. Leaving Koshkin aside, any failure by the other four witnesses to call the police at this point is probably attributable to the fact that they did not have Koshkin's view of the rear of the 2 story Tudor building. From their perspective on Austin Street, they had lost sight of Kitty 10 minutes earlier when she turned the corner of the 2 story Tudor building. As far as they knew, Kitty was long gone, so they probably had little idea of the mortal danger created by Moseley's return - especially if, as Mrs. Mozer said (above), "he was walking normally, as if he didn't have a care in the world".

 

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Only one witness is known to have heard Kitty say she had been stabbed  

 

 

Only one witness is known to have heard Kitty say she had been stabbed  

 

THE NEW YORK TIMES, March 27, 1964, p. 38.

At approximately 3:20 on the morning of March 13, 1964, twenty-eight-year-old Ms Catherine (Kitty) Genovese was returning to her home in a nice middle-class area of Queens, NY, from her job as a bar manager. She parked her red Fiat in a nearby parking lot, turned-off the lights and started the walk to her second floor apartment some 35 yards away. She got as far as a streetlight when a man grabbed her. She screamed. Lights went on in the 10-floor apartment building nearby. She yelled, "Oh, my God, he stabbed me! Please help me!" Windows opened in the apartment building and a man's voice shouted, "Let that girl alone." The attacker looked up, shrugged and walked-off down the street. Ms Genovese struggled to get to her feet. Lights went back off in the apartments. 

The attacker came back and stabbed her again. She again cried out, "I'm dying! I'm dying!" And again the lights came on and windows opened in many of the nearby apartments. The assailant again left and got into his car and drove away. Ms Genovese staggered to her feet as a city bus drove by. It was now 3:35 a.m. The attacker returned once again. He found her in a doorway at the foot of the stairs and he stabbed her a third time -- this time with a fatal consequence. It was 3:50 when the police received the first call. They responded quickly and within two minutes were at the scene. Ms Genovese was already dead. The only person to call, a neighbor of Ms Genovese, revealed that he had phoned only after much thought and an earlier phone call to a friend. He said, "I didn't want to get involved."

When first attacked, Kitty screamed that she had been stabbed.  That fact has been accurately reported in the press - leaving readers to assume that all of the witnesses heard her say that. However, only 1 of the 5 trial witnesses heard those words. If anyone else heard them, they have never been identified. There is no doubt that when Kitty screamed, witnesses heard her voice. However, that does not necessarily mean that they understood her words since it was those very outcries that had awakened them at 3:20 AM in the middle of a very cold winter night. According to the July 25, 1995 edition of The New York Times:

"... several residents who were alive at the time of the attack maintained yesterday that the screams were not that easy to hear ... ."


In my experience, it can be difficult to make out the words of people speaking or shouting outside on a city street through closed windows, even though their voices might be clearly audible. Furthermore, there is evidence to suggest that the acoustics of Austin Street would have added to that difficulty. After Kitty had been stabbed for the first time and fell to the ground, one witness opened his seventh floor window and called down to Moseley to leave her alone.  Moseley, who was fully awake at the time, heard the man, but could not make out what he said. 

If there was difficulty in being understood from an open window by someone wide awake, there would have been even greater difficulty in being understood through closed windows by people who were sleeping or just being awakened - and we know that the witnesses had their windows closed to protect against the cold night air. Further evidence of the difficulty in hearing Kitty's words can be found in the affidavit of surviving witness, Michael Hoffman, who writes:

"Since my Austin Street window was only open about a half an inch (it was very cold that night), I could not make out what was being said, or by whom. I opened that window more and could still not make out what was being said. "

 

 

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Kitty did not scream for half an hour

 

Kitty did not scream for half an hour

 

Although the original March 27, 1964 New York Times article does not say so, it was reported or implied in subsequent press accounts that Kitty screamed continuously throughout all or most of her 30 minute ordeal.  If that were true, then it did not matter whether witnesses saw the stabbings or heard her say she had been stabbed. That kind of screaming would have been an unambiguous signal to the witnesses that Kitty was in desperate trouble. However, the belief that Kitty screamed for anything close to that length of time is mistaken.

                             The Killer's Interrogation

During his police interrogation, Winston Moseley told the officers what he did immediately after his first attack on Kitty.

"It seemed like I better get the car out of there right away. So I ran back and put it in reverse and backed around the corner of the next block. It was quiet. I didn't hear anybody coming out or doors slamming. I waited ten minutes. It was still quiet."

So, for 10 minutes after the first attack, the killer heard nothing and it was that very silence which convinced him it was safe to return and continue the attack.

                             The Seedman Account

Albert A. Seedman was the Deputy Police Inspector who conducted the interrogation of Winston Moseley on the day he was captured. He went on the become Chief of Detectives. According to Seedman, Kitty did not scream during the 12 minutes that elapsed between the end of the first attack on Austin Street and the beginning of the second attack in the rear hallway of the 2 story Tudor building.  Furthermore, Seedman described her one cry in the hallway as "low" and "too weak for a scream". The New York Daily News called it "just the faintest of cries". Only a few neighbors heard that final faint cry.  Moseley quickly stabbed Kitty in the throat to silence her. 

                                     What it Means

Kitty's failure to scream after the first attack ended and Moseley had fled is not surprising. She had been stabbed in the back at least twice with a hunting knife.  She was gravely wounded and probably in shock. In any case, when Kitty got up and slowly walked away after the first attack without making any further cry for help - no matter whether she staggered or walked dreamlike  - witnesses must have assumed she was really all right, despite her initial outcry. The fact that the first attack occurred only about 50 feet away from a bar known to have generated a lot of late night rowdiness would have reinforced that assumption. 

An argument can be made that:

  1. There is a discernable difference between the loud scream of a woman who is infuriated or carousing and the terrified scream of a woman whose life is in mortal danger. And,

  2. In the case of Kitty Genovese, that difference had to have been apparent to the witnesses.

Although the argument is a reasonable one, it does not prove the case against the 38 witnesses for a number of reasons.

First, while witnesses who were awake and listening could probably have made that distinction, these witnesses were not awake and listening. It was Kitty's screams that awakened them at 3:20 in the morning. In my experience, people do not always hear or fully comprehend loud noises that waken them from their sleep. For example, we have sworn statements from six witnesses as to what they heard that night. Two of them say they were awakened by the first attack, but never heard any screams. 

Second, anyone on that block who heard Kitty scream would also have heard witness Robert Mozer when he, "hollered" from his seventh floor apartment, "Hey, get out of there" or "What are you doing?"  In fact, witness Mozer's was likely the last outcry the witnesses would have heard. The killer, Winston Moseley, then ran to his car and drove off, after which Kitty left the scene without making any further outcry or plea for help. So, those witnesses who could not see what was happening would have heard:

  • Kitty screaming, then
  • One of their neighbors warn someone off, and then
  • A car driving off and windows shutting, but no more screams.

Under the circumstances, those witnesses would naturally have assumed that Mozer's warning had solved whatever problem there was.

Third, The New York Times reported that after Moseley fled from the first attack, "Lights went out" - suggesting that the eye witnesses went back to bed.  That fact has to mean that they did not understand what was happening. Human nature being what it is, I have to believe they would have remained glued to their windows if they had known.

Finally, former Chief of Detectives, Albert A. Seedman, suggests that a large number of witnesses watched Kitty leave the scene of the first attack walking in a manner that he described as "dreamlike" and "not staggering".  Even if we accept that Kitty's screams were louder than anything the witnesses ever heard coming from the bar and that the witnesses understood Kitty's outcries to be calls for help,  the fact that Moseley then drove away, and Kitty then left under her own power (whether dreamlike or staggering) without any further calls for help could well have caused them to think that the crisis (and Kitty's need for help) had passed. That may have been bad judgment on the part of the witnesses, but bad judgment is a far less egregious failing than the one they have been accused of.

 

There came a time when Kitty was no longer screaming for when her assailant returned she started screaming again.

 

EXCERPTS FROM THE CONFESSION OF WINSTON MOSELEY TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

A. I heard somebody upstairs yelling. I don't know exactly what they said and when they yelled I was frightened and I ran back to the car. I backed the car up this street. It was a one way street.
Q. Did you look up to see where you heard someone shouting from?
A. I don't think that I did look up.
Q. Was it a man or a woman, do you recall?
A. It sounded like a man.
Q. When you first got out of your car and approached this woman were you dressed the same way as you described for me that you were dressed when you left your house earlier?
A. No, instead of a hat I had on a stocking cap.
Q. How many times did you stab her at that time?
A. Twice.
Q. Both times in the back?
A. Yes.
Q. When [sic] this knife I have just showed you?
A. Yes.
Q. And did you talk to her at all at that time?
A. No.
Q. Now, you say you looked into a few doorways or one doorway and then the second doorway you found her?
A. Yes.
Q. And she was laying on the floor?
A. Yes.
Q. What would that be in a vestibule or hallway?
A. A hallway.
Q. How many doors are there between the street and where she was laying?
A. I think only one door between the street and where I found her.
Q. Now, when you observed her, what position was she in? What was she doing, if anything?
A. She was laying there on her back.
Q. Flat on the floor?
A. Flat on the floor, yes.
Q. When she saw you did she say anything?
A. She started screaming again.
Q. Did you say anything?
A. I may have said to be quiet, I don't remember.
Q. And you started stabbing her again?

 

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Kitty might not have been saved by a phone call  

 

 

Kitty might not have been saved by a phone call  

 

 

 

Catherine "Kitty" Genovese

 

 

In his book on the case, the Times A. M. Rosenthal stated what has remained one of the most widely held beliefs about the Kitty Genovese murder:

"If any one of the witnesses had put in a call while Miss Genovese was being attacked, the chances are that she would have been saved, for when the call did come the police arrived within a matter of a few minutes."

Let's assume that no one called the police after the first attack. If the telephone call Rosenthal envisioned had been made by Joseph Fink who witnessed the first stabbings and realized what was happening, chances are the second attack would have been thwarted. Apart from Fink, however, there are a number of problems with Rosenthal's theory.

First, because the initial attack was over with so quickly, none of the witnesses could have telephoned while it was still ongoing, as Rosenthal contemplated. The calls would had to have been made after Moseley had fled. 

Second, apart from Fink, it is not certain how many other witness saw or heard enough to be able to convince the police that a patrol car was needed. Imagine for example that the following two witnesses had reported what they saw and heard to the police (the quotes are real):

WITNESS NO. 1
"I heard something that sounded like two people talking loud. That's all. I looked down [from the 5th floor] and I saw two heads." 

WITNESS NO. 2
"I didn't hear anything. My husband thought he heard someone screaming, but when he looked out no one was there." 

Third, to get the kind of urgent police response that Rosenthal envisioned, the first attack needed to be reported as an attempted homicide in progress. The police would have given such a call their highest priority (which is why they responded so quickly when Kitty was discovered dying of multiple stab wounds). However, none of the witnesses had any reason to think it was that. They saw Kitty for only a few moments. Once again, except for Joseph Fink, they did not see the stabbings, and they did not see blood or a knife. So at most, the incident would have been called in as an assault - and not even an assault in progress, but one in which the assailant had been seen to drive off and the victim to walk away. (In these days before 911, callers had to identify themselves and give details of the crime they were reporting. See, sidebar.) That would have made the matter a much less urgent one and drawn a slower police response than a homicide in progress - perhaps too slow a response to have saved Kitty. `In fact, surviving witness (and, later, New York City Police Officer), Michael Hoffman, says that that is exactly what happened. 

Furthermore, when a patrol did show up, it would have gone to where the attack had reportedly taken place - Austin Street in front of the 2 story Tudor Building. However, Kitty would not have been there anymore. She had gone into a small hallway in the rear of the building. If the officers had found nothing but peace and quiet on an empty street, they would have had little reason to get out of their car and search the area since the call was of a simple mugging whose victim had walked away.

 

 

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The problem was not apathy

 

 

The problem was not apathy

 

I sometimes wonder whether the 38 witnesses would be as notorious as they are today if they had been participants in Kitty's murder rather than just witnesses. Consider this. As recently as the early 20th Century, lynchings were not an uncommon occurrence in the United States, even outside of the south. Often racially motivated, the victims included women and teenage girls.  Photographs of such events survive today, and many of them show otherwise law abiding members of the community looking on with approval if in fact they did not actually participate.  Yet, the stories of these bystanders are mostly forgotten while the story of the 38 witnesses remains timeless.

The reason can be summed up in one word: "apathy". While the lynch mob mentality was widely known and understood 40 years ago, no one in March of 1964 could understand how onlookers not poisoned by anger or motivated by racial animosity could have turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to Kitty's plight. It was the supposed indifference to Kitty's ordeal on the part of the 38 witnesses that shocked everyone. It led The New York Times to wonder, "What Kind of People Are We?" and A.M. Rosenthal to write about a "Sickness Called Apathy".

Yet, if any aspect of the Kitty Genovese story is open to question, it is that the witnesses were simply apathetic or that their reactions that night were somehow a departure from the norm. In a series of experiments conducted as a result of the controversy surrounding Kitty's death, psychologists, Bibb Latané and John Darley, discovered what was called the "Bystander Effect". Simply put, their findings were that the more bystanders there are who witness an emergency, the less likely any of them are to help the victim. They attributed the Bystander Effect to a pair of mindsets they called:

  • Pluralistic Ignorance (i.e., Each bystander thinks, "If no one else is helping, does this person really need help?"), and

  • Diffusion of Responsibility (i.e., Each bystander thinks, "Only one person needs to call the police and certainly someone else will.")

 Writing in 1985, Psychology Professor R. Lance Shotland of Pennsylvania University concluded:

"After close to 20 years of research, the evidence indicates that 'the bystander effect,' as it has come to be called, holds for all types of emergencies, medical or criminal."

 According to The New York Times:

"A raft of behavioral studies performed over the last 40 years suggests that Ms. Genovese's neighbors reacted as they reportedly did not because they were apathetic or cold-hearted, but because they were confused, uncertain and afraid. 'Where others might have seen them as villains,' Professor Takooshian [professor of urban psychology at Fordham University] said, 'psychologists see these people as normal.'"


However, Latané, Darley and others apparently assumed that the popular account of Kitty's death was true, so they believed that the witnesses saw, heard and understood more than I think they did. My take on it is a bit different. I believe that most of the 38 witnesses did not see or hear enough to understand what was happening.  I think that others who could have or should have known that something was wrong either froze or went into denial. That seems understandable. Not only did they live in a neighborhood that was virtually crime free, but they were awakened suddenly in the middle of the night (when no one's powers of judgment or observation would be 100%) to a situation they did not fully witness and for which they were completely unprepared.

The events of September 11, 2001 provide an example of the psychological ability of humans to deny the obvious. At 8:48 AM on a clear, sunny, cloudless day, a plane flew directly into the north tower of the World Trade Center which - tall as it was - was still far below normal air traffic lanes. The evidence that the crash was intentional could not have been clearer.  Yet, until the second plane hit some 18 minutes later, how many people thought to themselves, "It must have been an accident"?

 

                                 

Winston Moseley

          When he was arrested in March 1964, Moseley was 28 years old. He owned a house in Queens, was married and had two children. He had a steady job and no criminal record.

 

 

 

 

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"We didn't want to get involved"

 

 

 

"We didn't want to get involved"

 

 
  

This is a closer look at the back of the 2 story Tudor building.  Kitty Genovese was attacked for the second and last time in a small hallway behind this door [82-62 Austin Street].

 

 

The 1964 Times article reports that two witnesses explained their inaction by saying they didn't want to get involved. Everyone assumes that theirs was the attitude of all the other witnesses.

However, according to the Times' A. M. Rosenthal, when asked why they didn't call the police, those who cited a fear of involvement were a distinct minority. Apparently, most witnesses said they didn't know why.

  "'I didn't want my husband to get involved,' a housewife said.
  'We thought it was a lovers' quarrel,' said another woman. 'I went back to bed.'
  'I was tired,' said a man.
  'I don't know,' said another man.
  'I don't know,' said still another .
  'I don't know,' said others."

Rosenthal concluded:

"Nobody can say why the thirty-eight did not lift the phone while Miss Genovese was being attacked, since they cannot say themselves."

Although Rosenthal interpreted all the "I don't know" responses as indicating a fear of involvement, I think it was more likely to be the response of someone who genuinely misread what was happening to Kitty. That seems to have been the case with the following witness described by Life Magazine as "plainly depressed and disappointed at his own failure".

"Every time I look out here now, it's like looking at a nightmare. How could so many of us have had the idea that we didn't need to do anything?"

Notice the witness's reference to "so many of us", indicating that there were a lot of witnesses that night who did not understand what was happening.

In the case of those witnesses who did cite a fear of involvement, this seems, with one exception, to be a classic case of quoting people out of context. I think what those witnesses wanted to avoid getting involved in was a drunken quarrel - which seems to be what many thought it was. Those witnesses may not have realized the need to make that distinction clear. They made their statements before they knew that their reaction to the events of that night was to become the focus of the Kitty Genovese story. 

The two exceptions appear to be witnesses, Joseph Fink and Karl Ross. Other witnesses seem to have been tarred with their brush.

Joseph Fink did not call the police despite witnessing the first stabbings and realizing what was happening. If he ever explained his behavior, that explanation has not been published. The only mitigating circumstance apparent is that, having witnessed the first attack, he would also have seen Kitty get up and leave the scene under her own power without making any further outcries for help.

The second witness was Karl Ross, who is said to have called the police after it was too late. Ross's apartment was located up a flight of stairs from the hallway in which Kitty was attacked for the last time. Although Ross saw at least part of that attack, he delayed calling for help because he was intoxicated and did not want to deal with the police.  Former Chief of Detectives, Albert A. Seedman, writes that at 7 o'clock in the morning - a little more than 3 hours after the attacks on Kitty ended, Ross was "swilling vodka and acting obnoxious". He was booked for disorderly conduct after he interfered with a detective's interview of Kitty's roommate and exchanged words with the officer.

 

 

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Doubts

 

Doubts  

In another article for the Daily News' Queens Edition, John Melia again doubted the 38 witnesses.  Here are excerpts from that article which was entitled "Stigma from Genovese case remains".

"Then we started to hear rumblings - rumblings from reporters who had covered the murder of Kitty Genovese and the trial of Winston Moseley discounting the claims that 39 otherwise ordinary and law-abiding citizens watched a slaughter and did nothing.

We heard a story of one reporter, sent out by his editor to find these witnesses, who came back literally begging that the story not run because there was nothing there. He told his editor that the witnesses did not exist in the numbers claimed. But it was too late, the people of Austin Street in Kew Gardens had been stamped with the indelible mark of Cain - the story ran, full of the appropriate outrage and horror.
* * * In retracing the final steps of Kitty Genovese, we began to have doubts, too, as to the number of people who saw something that night. Did the people of Kew Gardens get a bad rap when Kitty Genovese was killed? We have our doubts. You decide."

What has made the Kitty Genovese story resonate over 4 decades are the very aspects of it that appear to have been so badly exaggerated: that 38 people reportedly watched or listened for a full 30 minutes and - seeing or knowing that a woman was stabbed to death, - refused to call the police because they did not want to get involved. As far as I can tell, that scenario did not take place.

Could the residents of Austin Street have reacted better than they did that night?  Of course they could have. Anytime humans are involved in anything, the answer to the question, "Could they have done better?", will always be "Yes". The real issue is whether the witnesses' response fell so far short of perfection as to be worthy of the kind of attention and condemnation that they have drawn for over four decades. I don't think it did. For all these years, the 38 witnesses have been portrayed as freaks who displayed a depraved indifference to human life and suffering. If my take on the case is correct, then the truth is far less sensational. At worst, they were just 38 ordinary people who fumbled.

 

In 1984 John Melia, a  crime reporter for the New York Daily News wrote this article on the twentieth anniversary of the slaying. Long after the storm had passed and all had time to reflect, there are doubts about the "38 Witnesses".
      

 

 

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Moseley Confession

 

EXCERPTS FROM THE CONFESSION OF WINSTON MOSELEY
People v. Moseley
People's Exhibit 11





[Ed.'s Note: At this point in his confession, Moseley has just said that he left his house at about 2:00 A.M. on the morning of March 13, 1965.]

By Assistant District Attorney Chetta:

Q. What did you do when you left your house?
A. I got in the car and drove to Queens Boulevard and Yellowstone Avenue and I started cruising the neighborhood looking for a woman alone in a car. About three o'clock I did manage to find one on the street I don't know, say about ten blocks from her house and I followed her. She drove to a parking lot and stopped her car. As soon as she stopped hers I was following her and I stopped mine. While she was getting out of her car I had already gotten out of mine and I ran into the parking lot before she really got out of the car. She got out of the car and she saw me and she was frightened right away and she started to run. I ran after her and stabbed her twice in the back. Somebody yelled and I was frightened so I jumped back into the car, backed the car back to the nearest cross street and backed down this street about half a block. I decided that even though the person had yelled they weren't going to come down to the street to see what had happened to her and I had noticed as I was backing the car back that the woman had gotten up and appeared to be going around the corner, so I came back thinking that I would find her. I came back into the parking lot and thought maybe she had gone to the train station. She wasn't in the train station. It was locked so I said, "Well," to myself, "Well, perhaps she is in one of these hallways. I tried the first door in this row of houses and the door was locked. The second door I tried opened, I opened, and there she was laying on the floor. When she saw me she started screaming again so I stabbed her a few more times. She seemed to quiet down a bit, so she wasn't really struggling with me that hard now . . . . . While this was going on as I mentioned I thought that I heard somebody opening a door upstairs and as a matter of fact I could hear a muffled voice upstairs, but when I looked up the stairs I didn't see anybody and as I thought nobody actually came down the stairs, so I looked up there one more time before I went out the door and I still didn't see anybody and I came out the door and instead of going back through the parking lot I walked around the block and came back on the opposite side of the street. The only thing I saw was a milk truck with a delivery man in it and I walked around to the car and back to the street, parallel to the street that I first followed her car on and I started driving home. . . . .
Q. You said you went up to her or towards her while she was still in the parking lot?
A. Yes.
Q. And then she ran from you out of the parking lot?
A. Yes.
Q. In relation to the parking lot in running out on what side of the street were you following her on?
A. What side?
Q. Yes. How would you describe it?
Q. Well, if you are looking up a street, this is the right side and this is the left side.
A. Looking up the street the way the traffic was going it was on the right side.
Q. How far would you say you ran after her, for how far a distance?
A. Twenty feet.
Q. Did you say anything to her?
A. No.
Q. Did she say anything?
A. She called for help.
Q. And then you said you stabbed her twice while running behind her?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you grab her or hold her?
A. No, I didn't grab her when I stabbed her in the back.
Q. Did she fall to the ground when you stabbed her?
A: Yes.
Q. What did you then do?
A. I heard somebody upstairs yelling. I don't know exactly what they said and when they yelled I was frightened and I ran back to the car. I backed the car up this street. It was a one way street.
Q. Did you look up to see where you heard someone shouting from?
A. I don't think that I did look up.
Q. Was it a man or a woman, do you recall?
A. It sounded like a man.
Q. When you first got out of your car and approached this woman were you dressed the same way as you described for me that you were dressed when you left your house earlier?
A. No, instead of a hat I had on a stocking cap.
Q. How many times did you stab her at that time?
A. Twice.
Q. Both times in the back?
A. Yes.
Q. When [sic] this knife I have just showed you?
A. Yes.
Q. And did you talk to her at all at that time?
A. No.
Q. Now, you say you looked into a few doorways or one doorway and then the second doorway you found her?
A. Yes.
Q. And she was laying on the floor?
A. Yes.
Q. What would that be in a vestibule or hallway?
A. A hallway.
Q. How many doors are there between the street and where she was laying?
A. I think only one door between the street and where I found her.
Q. Now, when you observed her, what position was she in? What was she doing, if anything?
A. She was laying there on her back.
Q. Flat on the floot?
A. Flat on the floor, yes.
Q. When she saw you did she say anything?
A. She started screaming again.
Q. Did you say anything?
A. I may have said to be quiet, I don't remember.
Q. And you started stabbing her again?
A. Yes.
Q. How many times?
A. I don't remember.
Q. Can you give us or give me an approximate idea?
A. Four or five.
Q. Did she finally stop screaming?
A. Yes, I stabbed her once in the throat and she didn't scream after that.
Q. Did you stab her or cut her throat?
A. I would say more I stabbed her.

. . . .
Q. Now, Winston, would you be willing to accompany me and these detectives here now and go over this scene and the route which you have described to me?
A. Yes.
Q. And you have given me this statement freely and voluntarily of your own free will, is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. And everything you have told me is the truth?
A. Yes.
Q. I am going to have this statement typed up by the stenographer at which time I will ask you to read it and make any corrections that might be required and the sign it, all right?
  O.K.

WINSTON MOSELEY
Mitchell S. Sang, Det. #70
John W. Carroll, #1052 QHS
Philip J. Chetta
  Asst. Dist. Atty.
  Queens Cty.

 

 

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